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7/20/2009
Randy "0b00101010" G. says:
I believe I speak for all those friends who help you with your computer problems when I say the following:
Hi there. I know we've been harping on this for a good long time now, and that you're getting tired of hearing it. Nonetheless, there's a reason why we keep saying it - and it's not to annoy you.
Why the hell aren't you making backups?
Seriously, you've got to know enough people with computer failure and data loss horror stories by this point to realize that some kind of hard drive problem or other unrecoverable error isn't a matter of if, but a matter of when. We all seem to love our notebooks these days, but constantly moving around an incredibly tiny disc that spins at around 90 revolutions per SECOND seems to result in me having to help at least one unfortunate friend every 3-6 months.
Which, don't get me wrong, I'm happy to do. But every time I do, it takes me forever and a day to try and get the old files off the broken (and rapidly deteriorating!) hard drive, if it's even possible. You lose data, I lose time, and you wind up having to buy me tons of beer. If you had a recent backup, however... to hell with the old drive, we load a new one in, restore, and you're back up and running in a matter of hours, not days or weeks.
If you're worried about cost, don't be. All you really need is an external USB hard drive - you can get one big enough for all your documents for generally about $100, more if you generate tons of documents. At 500GB, that's more than enough for your completely legal music collection, your vast selection of home-made high definition movies, and your cornucopia of photos. If you need more space, by all means, spend a bit more.*
Actually performing the backup itself is dead simple these days, too - some of the drives come with software for Windows, and Mac OS X 10.5 or newer (which you have if your Mac is less than about a year and a half old, or you upgraded) comes with a feature called Time Machine which automatically backs up your files and such for you. Windows Vista has a backup utility built-in, too, but you have to run it manually. It's still better than nothing - which is what you probably have right now.
I'm not asking you to do any crazy offsite backup plan - just, please, make a backup of your important stuff. It'll make all our lives easier if something bad happens to your computer.
(and if you want to do the crazy offsite pay-by-the-month backup stuff, you're welcome to it. I might even show you how - for a beer...)
* BUYING TIPS: When you're buying a backup drive for your computer, buying a reputable brand is best - names like Seagate and Western Digital are good to look for. Also, don't be tempted by the really tiny ones - they may be more portable, but the small notebook disk drives tend to be more fragile, plus you wind up spending more for the same amount of storage as you get with the bigger ones. You shouldn't take your backup with you anyways - more chance for damage.
I believe I speak for all those friends who help you with your computer problems when I say the following:
Hi there. I know we've been harping on this for a good long time now, and that you're getting tired of hearing it. Nonetheless, there's a reason why we keep saying it - and it's not to annoy you.
Why the hell aren't you making backups?
Seriously, you've got to know enough people with computer failure and data loss horror stories by this point to realize that some kind of hard drive problem or other unrecoverable error isn't a matter of if, but a matter of when. We all seem to love our notebooks these days, but constantly moving around an incredibly tiny disc that spins at around 90 revolutions per SECOND seems to result in me having to help at least one unfortunate friend every 3-6 months.
Which, don't get me wrong, I'm happy to do. But every time I do, it takes me forever and a day to try and get the old files off the broken (and rapidly deteriorating!) hard drive, if it's even possible. You lose data, I lose time, and you wind up having to buy me tons of beer. If you had a recent backup, however... to hell with the old drive, we load a new one in, restore, and you're back up and running in a matter of hours, not days or weeks.
If you're worried about cost, don't be. All you really need is an external USB hard drive - you can get one big enough for all your documents for generally about $100, more if you generate tons of documents. At 500GB, that's more than enough for your completely legal music collection, your vast selection of home-made high definition movies, and your cornucopia of photos. If you need more space, by all means, spend a bit more.*
Actually performing the backup itself is dead simple these days, too - some of the drives come with software for Windows, and Mac OS X 10.5 or newer (which you have if your Mac is less than about a year and a half old, or you upgraded) comes with a feature called Time Machine which automatically backs up your files and such for you. Windows Vista has a backup utility built-in, too, but you have to run it manually. It's still better than nothing - which is what you probably have right now.
I'm not asking you to do any crazy offsite backup plan - just, please, make a backup of your important stuff. It'll make all our lives easier if something bad happens to your computer.
(and if you want to do the crazy offsite pay-by-the-month backup stuff, you're welcome to it. I might even show you how - for a beer...)
* BUYING TIPS: When you're buying a backup drive for your computer, buying a reputable brand is best - names like Seagate and Western Digital are good to look for. Also, don't be tempted by the really tiny ones - they may be more portable, but the small notebook disk drives tend to be more fragile, plus you wind up spending more for the same amount of storage as you get with the bigger ones. You shouldn't take your backup with you anyways - more chance for damage.
7/20/2009
Kat "the centipede whisperer" F. says:
Very well put. Thanks for the reminder to back up my stuff - I have a spare hard drive just sitting here, waiting to be filled with goodies, and two computers to back up!!
Very well put. Thanks for the reminder to back up my stuff - I have a spare hard drive just sitting here, waiting to be filled with goodies, and two computers to back up!!
7/20/2009
Ariel "arielmg47" G. says:
Thanks for reminding me. I had 2 computers crash 3 days apart. But I was lucky, all my data was on a data partition on both hard drive. But I should back up....Thanks again.
Thanks for reminding me. I had 2 computers crash 3 days apart. But I was lucky, all my data was on a data partition on both hard drive. But I should back up....Thanks again.
7/20/2009
Chris "Burrito Disciple" P. says:
I learned my lesson 5 years ago when I had to pay $2000 to get a hard disk recovered. I now have 2 external HDD's, a usb thumb drive, and a number of DVD-RW's that I back up to regularly.
You all may want to consider a fire safe also to store your backups in. If your house burns down, backup or not, the data is still gone. Plus a fire safe is cheaper than offsite data storage.
I learned my lesson 5 years ago when I had to pay $2000 to get a hard disk recovered. I now have 2 external HDD's, a usb thumb drive, and a number of DVD-RW's that I back up to regularly.
You all may want to consider a fire safe also to store your backups in. If your house burns down, backup or not, the data is still gone. Plus a fire safe is cheaper than offsite data storage.
9/19/2009
ZIMM "the Invader of course" T. says:
.. as a tech of 14 years. I am ahppy just the way things are. Not flaming your post.. but.. what do you get paid for?
If everyone knew how to do a back up .. I suppose its good but hten again I got mortage to pay lol.
But really now, raggin on customers about being un educated in CD burning ( basicly burning a cd for all intended purposes )
is .. well anal ..
Now if you want to do a seminar for YOUR cleints that would solve your issues. I mean .. this is yelp.. and think about it now,
Do you think thsoe who dont know how to burn their files off are the same people who will be coming here to read your .."advice" ?
lol I think you'll find the majority of people who Don't burn their important info off don't or never evenheard of Yelp.
Now for hte small amount of people who DO come here and DOnt knowhow to burn off a disk.. do you think they NEVER thought of burning off their valuable andpersonal stuff?
They have. Oh yeah htey have . But procrastinanting is a bitch.
In my 14 years I only have a few who back stuff up.
Others whoLost information due to viral activity and what not..STILL dont burn of fhteir own files.Despite my lecturing.
Your post may be .. somewhat important and slightly informative but not realistic for here. Pretty much as pointless as my post is here lol.
Telling peple what to do or how to do things on their PC is.. iffy at best.
They have to WANT to learn something or WANT to avoid something.
you got some ( SOME) feedback .."good for you" but honestly.. half a dozen reading arent the ones computers your fixing.
The Ones YOU fix are the majortiy you refer too, and I am betting the majority of that croud is home trying to figure out how to send an attachment. Let alone burning their own information off.
You shoold of posted a HOW to ( for that matter I should of insteadof this post)
How to Burn a cd or HOW to us Windows Back up software.
Would of been better.. and on that note. .On my own perosnal site that's not a bad idea.
Help them help me by HELPING them instead of lecturng them lol.
I mean isnt that waht us techs are to do?
.. as a tech of 14 years. I am ahppy just the way things are. Not flaming your post.. but.. what do you get paid for?
If everyone knew how to do a back up .. I suppose its good but hten again I got mortage to pay lol.
But really now, raggin on customers about being un educated in CD burning ( basicly burning a cd for all intended purposes )
is .. well anal ..
Now if you want to do a seminar for YOUR cleints that would solve your issues. I mean .. this is yelp.. and think about it now,
Do you think thsoe who dont know how to burn their files off are the same people who will be coming here to read your .."advice" ?
lol I think you'll find the majority of people who Don't burn their important info off don't or never evenheard of Yelp.
Now for hte small amount of people who DO come here and DOnt knowhow to burn off a disk.. do you think they NEVER thought of burning off their valuable andpersonal stuff?
They have. Oh yeah htey have . But procrastinanting is a bitch.
In my 14 years I only have a few who back stuff up.
Others whoLost information due to viral activity and what not..STILL dont burn of fhteir own files.Despite my lecturing.
Your post may be .. somewhat important and slightly informative but not realistic for here. Pretty much as pointless as my post is here lol.
Telling peple what to do or how to do things on their PC is.. iffy at best.
They have to WANT to learn something or WANT to avoid something.
you got some ( SOME) feedback .."good for you" but honestly.. half a dozen reading arent the ones computers your fixing.
The Ones YOU fix are the majortiy you refer too, and I am betting the majority of that croud is home trying to figure out how to send an attachment. Let alone burning their own information off.
You shoold of posted a HOW to ( for that matter I should of insteadof this post)
How to Burn a cd or HOW to us Windows Back up software.
Would of been better.. and on that note. .On my own perosnal site that's not a bad idea.
Help them help me by HELPING them instead of lecturng them lol.
I mean isnt that waht us techs are to do?
9/19/2009
Kat "the centipede whisperer" F. says:
Does anyone else remember learning how to type on high school? Keyboarding I and II, holler!
Does anyone else remember learning how to type on high school? Keyboarding I and II, holler!
9/19/2009
Randy "0b00101010" G. says:
ZIMM, I get paid to write software. As the guy in my circle of friends with the most computer knowledge, I'm usually the one who gets called when someone has something bad to them. So it does, in fact, work in my best interests for them to have a working, recent backup of their files, since I'm going to be getting just as much free beer for fixing their hardware, and spending WAY less time trying to recover their data.
I'd also argue against the supposed pointlessness of posting the message here. It took me all of ten minutes to write that a few months ago, while watching TV no less. I got to vent, and if even one person actually started backing because of it, then they saved themselves a headache down the road. Sounds like a win-win to me.
Also, a tech of 14 years experience and burning to a CD is the only backup method you can think of? As I pointed out, external hard drives are DIRT CHEAP these days, and the entire backup process can be automated so all you have to do is plug it in, and anyone with a home network can get some form of network-attached storage and back up over their network. Slower, but there's nothing to plug in.
Finally: I think your keyboard is broken. Your shift key and space bar seem a bit intermittent :)
ZIMM, I get paid to write software. As the guy in my circle of friends with the most computer knowledge, I'm usually the one who gets called when someone has something bad to them. So it does, in fact, work in my best interests for them to have a working, recent backup of their files, since I'm going to be getting just as much free beer for fixing their hardware, and spending WAY less time trying to recover their data.
I'd also argue against the supposed pointlessness of posting the message here. It took me all of ten minutes to write that a few months ago, while watching TV no less. I got to vent, and if even one person actually started backing because of it, then they saved themselves a headache down the road. Sounds like a win-win to me.
Also, a tech of 14 years experience and burning to a CD is the only backup method you can think of? As I pointed out, external hard drives are DIRT CHEAP these days, and the entire backup process can be automated so all you have to do is plug it in, and anyone with a home network can get some form of network-attached storage and back up over their network. Slower, but there's nothing to plug in.
Finally: I think your keyboard is broken. Your shift key and space bar seem a bit intermittent :)
9/19/2009
Christine "Meat. Sleep. Pray." C. says:
Zimm.....whoa dude, you so gotta chill. By the way if you click the little ABC box on the bottom lower left hand of your posts your postings might not look like they were written by a guy who's been elbow bending for the past few hours.
Zimm.....whoa dude, you so gotta chill. By the way if you click the little ABC box on the bottom lower left hand of your posts your postings might not look like they were written by a guy who's been elbow bending for the past few hours.
9/19/2009
Aeryn "Still using a fax machine... Why?!" L. says:
*applauds* I've been salivating at the WD 2T MyBook recently and considering giving the 500G I've got going now to my parents; keep telling them to buy one for this very reason, but they don't listen; though nor does a cousin or a next door neighbour - all part of my tech support group, lol.
I don't get beer when I fix things though! Hmmph. Apparently "thanks" is enough for *them*. ;)
*applauds* I've been salivating at the WD 2T MyBook recently and considering giving the 500G I've got going now to my parents; keep telling them to buy one for this very reason, but they don't listen; though nor does a cousin or a next door neighbour - all part of my tech support group, lol.
I don't get beer when I fix things though! Hmmph. Apparently "thanks" is enough for *them*. ;)
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